Sunday, January 29, 2012

Onda Vi40 Elite Tablet - Running SPB Shell 3D



The V1.5.3 version of SPB Shell 3D appears to be the first version that runns on Ice Cream Sandwich.

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  1. Nice. But does it eat resources? I already think that the Vi40 is not powerful enough and already struggling so I am afraid that adding such (nice) application eats power we might need somewhere else (in a application).
    After few days working with this tablet / 4.0.3 I have to say I am a bit disappointed.
    Francis

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    1. Francis, what are you a bit disappointed of?
      The vi40 performances?

      Can you please be more specifc?

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    2. At times, you experience a lack of responsiveness. For example, you click on a link and nothing happens, you scroll down and the screen does not scroll smoothly, etc.

      I have to say it is very difficult to say what is related to ICS, the application or the HW.

      Some applications go really fast (I have just played a 3D game and I was pretty impressed, I am also controlling my DLNA HIFI systems and streaming music without any problem). But the browsing / navigation can be frustrating.

      I have also seen that some applications have been poorly ported on ICS and have bugs.
      Many applications are just not available on ICS just yet.
      Many applications have not been optimized for ICS.
      And finally...probably there is still room to improve ICS or the porting of ICS on the vi40.


      On the browser front, you see some browsers that are too heavy with many features (Android browser) but very slow (would require a much more powerfull tablet), some others such as dolpin have bugs (hangs or quits)and finally, I found a really fast one (a pleasure to work with) Ninesky but it has missing capabilities.

      As a conclusion, I am not sure what is related to the vi40 HW, but I have been using a more powerful tablet (dual core) with more pleasure.

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    3. Thank you, Francis, for your thorough response.
      As you describe the good response in 3D gaming, but the non-smooth behavior in browsing, I hope that it's related to the firmware version, and maybe will be mended promptly.
      Did you try to use the OPERA browser?

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  2. I'm pretty sure it eats resources, it has to be?!? I guess using this one or not, depends on what you want to do with your tablet. I just like the look and I am so used to it because I'm also using this launcher on my cell phones :D

    A less resourceful launcher is definitley the Launcher Pro, that one I also like a lot :-)

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    1. Dear Colonel, I love the demo ;)

      Unfortunately, it says in the market that it doesn't support hebrew...

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    2. Colonel,

      How did you download SBP from the Market? I mean my Tablet is greyed out (meaning not compatible) hence I cannot buy / download it.


      Toly75, I tried them all, including Opera (which had some bugs) and found out that Ninesky is the fastest by far.

      Regards,
      Francis

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    3. I didn't download SPB with the Vi40, I downloaded it with my Samsung Galaxy S1, made a backup and installed it through a sd-card ;-)

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  3. Thanks, I will try that.
    Wondering why the Onda is greyed out for some applications.

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    1. That was a "compromise" and I will never fully understand the logic behind the Android Market. In order to fix the download of paid apps, I gave the build.prop a figerprint of an Samsung Galaxy S2 Gingerbread phone (check your version info of your tablet and you'll see)in "my" market fix. For some reason the market probably thinks that SPB is not compatible with a Samsung S2 phone and that's probably why it is greyed out.

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  5. Other thing, since I complain about the scrolling...I found that you can add this:

    windowsmgr.max_events_per_sec = 120


    And increase to improve scrolling response.


    What do you think?

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    1. Hi :-)

      Where is that supposed to go? In the build.prob somewhere? I've never seen anything like that before.

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  6. I have changed the build.prop with that value, I don't see any difference.

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  7. BTW, this tablet is completely rooted...you can change whatever...complete access to system files and UID'

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  8. Well, I think there is a small difference (better).
    I also understand that the scrolling smoothness is a generic issue on ICS also very noticeable by people who moved from a 2.X or 3.x to ICS on the same tablet...

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  9. By setting the parameter to 240, I have a difference. A light and fast move of the finger (nothing sexual) gets me smoothly to the end of the a page.

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    1. Cool :-) And where exactly did you put that command? Could you maybe upload your build.prop somewhere and post a link, please? :-)

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  10. Since it all rooted, just could use the Market application 'Root Explorer' to add the line anywhere, at the end.

    With a long pressing on the file which is in /system you can 'View as a text' or 'Open in Text Editor' if you want to change anything. There many other options (including sending the build.prop).

    That would also allow us to easily change the footprint and other parameters. I more and more like my vi40...:)

    Just add

    windowsmgr.max_events_per_sec = 240

    just after debug.egl.hw = 1, but it does not matter where.

    A soft pressure makes a difference in ICS vs. a hard one...

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    1. You can also change the default time zone, default language, etc...and the footprint to make it alike a Samsung Tab ;)

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    2. Thanks, I just wanted to make sure where exactly you put that line, in the very end it is, I'll give it a try :-)

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    3. Hmmm, I don't really see a difference? Where do you see a better performance? And are you SURE it must be:

      windowsmgr.max_events_per_sec = 240

      and not
      windowsmgr.max_events_per_sec=240

      See the difference in the spaces in the end?

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    4. I have tried to edit the build.prop on my vi40 with one of the free root explorers and it can't save the file. I have never tinkered with these before, but can I use the computer to edit the build.prop and put it on the droid with the livesuit software?

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  11. Yes, sorry, no space, although the parser would make the difference I think. I removed the line and reproduced same finger move with or without, I can tell a difference.

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  12. But where? Is the horizontal or vertical scrolling smoother or faster? in the launcher or in a browser? I'm really not so sure where and what kind of improvement you see? Thanks :-)

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    1. In a brower. Try a 2 page web site ( a forum) and try to go to the bottom, with or without the change.

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    2. In Google, do a search on windowsmgr.max_events_per_sec

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    3. Ok, thanks, now I know what you are talking about :-) When I googled it I also found:


      Disable error checking. Gives a nice speed boost.

      ro.kernel.android.checkjni=0

      Next thing we can try? ;-)

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  13. My acide test.
    Have you ever been able to scroll to the bottom of a 2-3 page document in once without that parameter? (I have never been). With this parameter I can.
    Reading through the Web, it is clear that the scrolling smoothness has nothing to do with the CPU/Tablet speed (as I wrongly thought) but has been introduced by ICS.

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  14. I would like to know for sure what I need to put in the footprint and how to make it look like a Samsung Tab (for example, or anything else) to have access to all applications.

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    1. I guess you will never find a footprint that will let you find absolutely ALL applications, every device has some limitations. Android Market tries to make sure, that you can only download things that will work on your device 100% for SURE, so there will always be some sort of filtering involved :-(

      But MAYBE we can find better one? I was thinking of a Motorola Xoom footprint, maybe???

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    2. Yes, I could try that. I will ask someone on a related forum to give me the build.prop related fields...and see.

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    3. Great idea, do that :-) Here are some other tweaks we can try:

      http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1227269

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    4. I understand that the country is also limiting access to some applications and in our case, it is China...that can also be modified in the build.prop

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    5. That's right, the country also plays a role. I'm pretty sure there are a LOT of things playing into it, the country, the Android Version, the screen resolution, the CPU, if the device is a tablet or a smart phone, etc.

      That's why I am pretty sure it is impossible to find a fingerprint that makes the Market reveal ALL apps and games, that is not possible, in my opinion.

      Take the flash player for example. There are MANY different versions of the flash player out there for all sorts of CPUs, the Market somehow needs to know, which one to show you, if you want to download it.

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  15. Maybe I am suffering from a placebo effect, but my simple acid test is telling a slight improvement.

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  16. Colonel,

    I think / suggest you open a section "tips and tricks" to record advices about applications, settings, etc.

    Please note I tried a new Opera version (I don't know since when it is new as I was using Ninesky). The new Opera allows a VERY FAST vertical scrolling, the same speed I have on a iPAD2. Very smooth. This is fixed as far as I am concerned.

    This confirms that the applications need also to be adapted to exploit ICS.

    The only remaining point for me to improve is flashplayer. Please note that YouTube works in Ninesky (launching it twice with HQ)...another trick.

    Now, I would definitively recommend this tablet (it was not the case when I received it with 4.0.1).

    Regards,
    Francis

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    1. Hi Francis :-)

      Maybe I should have opened a forum instead of a blog ;-) It's kind of "confusing" to be discussing things on a blog :-(

      Which new version of Opera are you using? Simply the latest download from the market or did you get a different version from elsewhere? Thanks :-)

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  17. Hi Colonel,

    I just took the latest from the Market. > 1 week ago, I tried Opera and it crashed so often that I discarded it. I don't know when this new version was introduced, but the one I downloaded from the Market this morning enables a very fast scrolling. There are still some issues though. Ninesky loads a page much faster but Opera enables a far better scrolling. Also Ninesky allows you to play YouTube videos (click twice on them with HQ set). It does not work with Opera.

    Yes, a forum would be better...

    Regards

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  18. Dear Mr. ColonelZap / Mr. Francis / All,

    kindly tell me the Battery Life of Onda Vi40

    as iam planing to buy my First tablet

    thanks

    Arifullah

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    1. I also never tested it and please be so kind and NOT post the same question 4 times all over my blog.

      The battery life depends on a MILLION things, the screen bightness always plays an important roll, but of course it also depends on what you doing. I bet some heavy 3D gaming can empty the battery VERY fast for example. But there are SO many factors that can influence the battery, if you have strong or weak wifi signal, how many apps you have running in the background, etc.

      That's why I always have the most difficult time answering questions regarding the battery life, I am sure it can be super shot, super long or anything in between.

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    2. Thanks
      Arifullah

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    3. Mine just died, after around 11 months of usage, mainly to play movies and videos.

      My battery meeter shows 100% and the tablet shuts down abruptly, without warning me, after only a few minutes being idle.
      When I try to turn it back on, I get the "please recharge me" logo...

      I plug it and turn it on immediately, while plugged in. The battery meeter shows 100% right away.

      I am wondering if this is a battery issue or something else. I may buy a replacement battery just to see.

      I wuold like to be able to test the battery charge, outside of the tablet, but I don'T know how.

      Thanks.

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  19. Good question.
    Tell you the truth, I don't really know, I never let it on battery for more than 1/2 day.
    My guess, if you keep screen on (and keep on working), max 8 Hrs (with the screen brightness set to the minimum). But I will test. I let you know tomorrow.
    Note: I set the screen brightness of mine to the minimum and it is bright enough.

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    1. Thanks for detailed reply , waiting for your REAL test results

      Arifullah

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    2. I don't know what you call REAL measure...I don't know what means REAL especially these days...
      Anyway, here is a screen shot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lucinges/6810599893/

      16 Hrs on battery with WIFI always ON
      8 Hrs awaken
      4 Hrs been actively playing with the tablet (game, browsing, editing documents).
      You could calculate the % of battery discharge by hour of activity (sharp decrease), but I let you do it.
      I believe this would be activities most people do, I bought this tablet to control my DLNA music systems (DLNA control point) and stream music as you can see here (be patient it's shown a bit later in the video. Note, you can tell the difference between a nice video from the ColonelZap and mine (crap)).

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    3. And the video that shows a DLNA control point using Twonky.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq_xjChHvac

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    4. Thank you so much for the info :-) I like your video(s) and your pictures :D

      Yesterday I watch about one hour of video through HDMI (so the screen was off), had WIFI on, that consumed about 12% of the battery.

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    5. Colonel,

      How do you move an application that is on the Micro SD card from a phone to the tablet?
      I have an application that I moved to the SD Card. I then inserted the SD Card into the tablet, but it does not see the application.

      Francis

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    6. Let me try to understand, you made a BACKUP (not just moved it to the sd-card?) of an app on a phone and the *.apk file is somewhere on the sd-card, right? then you put that sd-card into your tablet and now you want to install it or copy it?

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    7. That's not what I was doing...but I now understand that is what I need to do...;) Thanks

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    8. I think I know what the problem is, you only MOVED an app and not actaully made a backup, right? Use the ES File explorer, click you menu button - Manager - App Manager. There you'll find a list of all your installed apps. press and hold the app you want to backup, you'll get some option, one of the being "Backup". MAYBE the backup will land in the internal memory of your phone, if it does, you will have copy it to your sd-card.

      Hope that makes sense?

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    9. Great! And I haven't even finished my coffee, yet ;-)

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    10. Hmmmm.
      I exactly followed the instructions.
      Using ES File Manager, I backed-up 2 apps. In ES File Manager, it shows that the apps are in the sdcard/backups/apps.
      I put the sd card in my tablet and nothing in sdcard/backups/apps
      I put the sdcard back in my phone and I see they are there...
      Don't understand.
      Regards

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    11. So, you are SURE that the two apps are actually on that sd-card and NOT in the internal memory of your phone, right?

      "...I put the sd card in my tablet and nothing in sdcard/backups/apps..."

      I think you are looking in the wrong place, take the ES File Manager, go to the ROOT "level", somewhere you'll find a "mnt" folder, inside you'll find an "externalSD" folder (or something like that). THAT's where your sd-card is found.

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    12. I know why, it is because what the tablet calls the sdcard is the internal sd, I dont know how to access the external sdcard from ES File Manager, tried to find kind of a /root from which I could access the internal memory and the sdcards...

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    13. Messages crossed, I'll try to find the root...

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    14. OK, I found the apps.

      Thanks!

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    15. Great :-) It is confusing, that is an ICS issue in general. Maybe I should make a little "how to" video? I'll think about it :-)

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    16. Gosh...I go from one problem to the other.
      When I click twice on the app, the system tells me that the installation is blocked because I set the parameter to prevent installation from non market app. Well, I have that option somwhere on my 2.x Android (phone), I don't find it on my tablet. I need your help...again...

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    17. Go to the settings - Security and check the Unknown sources :-)

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    18. Fantastic, just installed Tunein radio.

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  20. Thanks for all the tips and tricks so far, guys. Can't wait to receive my vi40 so I can fondle around with it. I'll be sure to keep checking this blog.

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  21. Pretty nifty btw, pre-rooted tablet :D

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  22. Btw, whats the problem with busybox and this tablet?? As soon as I install it to intall for example SPB 3D, get crazy and when I reboot all the app are gone.. ¿?¿?¿??¿?
    Thanks guys for this blog!!

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  23. Hola, despues de muchos problemas para instalar el market con mi vi40, parece que los de onda han dado el paso, lo comento aqui para todos los foreros y bloggers, difundidlo por favor. Este es el nuevo firmware con market. Solo modelos V3.
    Pagina en japones, para los que no quieran traducir, baja al final de la pagina y click en el boton verde a la izquierda del monitor, aparecerá un cadro de descarga.

    http://www.onda.cn/Mp3/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductId=178

    Saludos.

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  24. Tried to install SPD shell 3D, but when i installed the SPD3Dpatcher i got: No root access found! You must have root access to continue... (please update busybox or su).
    Can anyone tell me what to do??!!

    Thanks.

    Ramon Noorda
    Netherlands

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